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sf115
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How do you beat the grunfeld? I have this freind who is an expert on the grunfeld. He is also good at the sisilian so I don't want to play 1.e4. I need a good variation of the grunfeld to beat him, which line do I choose?
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tag1153
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Check out...... .......the annotated games list on my profile. Look for Bobby Fischer's Game of the Century. It is a fantastic Grunfeld game.
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nottop
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not like that It's not as though you are going to "beat" the grunfeld.
Isn't going to happen.
You might well defeat an opponent using the Gurnfeld, but the opening is sound - there is no way to "beat" it.
Look for a style against the grunfeld that suits you - the exchange variation is the most popular and certainly gives white chances to hope for a small advantage. If you like open games and don't mind an isolated queen pawn, the exchange variation might be your best choice.
If you prefer a closed and more positional game then there are several alternatives that also give white hope for a small adavantage.
Download high quality grunfeld games from twic (free) and play through many of them to become familiar with the ideas and seek the style that suits you best. It's not that one approach is better than the others, but one approach is more appropriate to your style of play than the others.
If it were me playing white against the grunfeld, I would not play the exchange variation because I think the resources for black are too much - I would play a more postional variation and if I didn't want to do that - then I wouldn't open d4.
Good luck with your games
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ionadowman
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"Beating" the Grunfeld... ... You might consider avoiding it, if you don't like the game White gets from it. I played the English Opening for years, and although I wasn't too concerned about transpositions into QP openings, I did make a point of avoiding the Grunfeld, rather then learn an extra bunch of theory. Something like 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.e4 Bg7 4.d4 ... 3.e4 put a crimp in Black's ...d5, but it did leave open other possibilities, such as ...c5. But, as an "English" player, I didn't mind that in the slightest. For one thing, it was surprising just how often the "c4 c5" set-up turned into a Maroczy-Bind Sicilian(!).
Cheers,
Ion
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sf115
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Thanks for the sugestion but I hate the english. As black I play 1. c4 e6 to avoid going in to the english but I need to look more closely at the 3.e4 line for white
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ionadowman
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OK: forget the English... ...Here's a suggestion from Yasser Seirawan:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 ...
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Now, if 5...dxc4? 6.e4 grabs the centre and picks up the c-pawn.
If instead 5...c6 6.cxd5 cxd5 7.e3 restricts the action of Black's K-bishop. The line is a species of Exchange Slav defence.
Finally, 5...Ne4 seems best for Black, taking out the B-pair after 6.cxd5 Nxg5! (the alternative 6...Nxc3 I'll discuss next) 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 (Seirawan's idea behind this line. Instead, 8.Qd2 is less effective: 8...exd5 9.Qe3+ Kf8 10.Qf4 Bf6! is OK for Black) 8...exd5 9.b4 (inaugurating a Q-side minority attack) 9...0-0 10.e3 closing off the g7-bishop's diagonal.
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Black has the B-pair, but White has a comfortable game, and his minority attack has begun.
After 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxc3?! 7.bxc3 Qxd5 8.e3 White retains more of a grip on the centre and the g7-bishop's future is limited by the well-protected d-pawn.
This is Seirawan's "Anti-Grunfeld" line. Enjoy.
;-)
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sf115
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thank you very helpful but what happens if 5...0-0 or 5...e6. and which book did you get this from?
ccmcacollister
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If you know it better ... 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.f3
He can still play d5 here but has no capture on c3 to follow with. And if you get him into
a KI, Grunfeld players usually dont do well in it ...
ccmcacollister
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ps.. Unless of course they Are KI players, who Happen to be playing a Grunfeld ... :))
ionadowman
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The 3.f3 line does have this virtue... ... If the enemy plays into a KI, you get to play the Samisch - a very aggressive approach. In the Seirawan line, I don't reckon White has much to apprehend against 5...0-0 or 5...e6.
Against 5...0-0, why not just 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.Nxd5 or even 7.cxd5?
With instead 5...e6, Black is subjecting himself to a pin, which doesn't look all that smart (though, I agree, looks can fool you). But maybe 6.e4 is a reasonable response, with the idea 6...dxe4 7.Nxe4, or possibly 6.cxd5 exd5 7.e4 etc. I haven't explored this idea far, but it seems to me that getting rid of the g7-bishop after exchanges on f6 is no bad thing for White. The latter line does leave him with an isolani on d4 in a relatively simple position, but Black's K-side is looking pretty porous.
All my earlier remarks are pretty much straight from Seirawan's own book "Winning Chess Openings" (Everyman Chess, 2004). Not a book for advanced players - for a given value of "advanced" - it doesn't treat openings in great depth, but does give you a pretty decent "feel" for what each is intended to achieve. Quite often it will end at a point of great complication and suggests careful study with the help of a more comprehensive opening manual. I've only recently discovered this book, and I quite like it. My own view of this volume is that it is a good place to start looking into any opening in a general kind of way, whence one may go more in depth with actual play and a book that treats that opening in more depth.
As it transpires, the line is also given in Chap. 14 of my ancient copy of Bill Hartston's "The Grunfeld Defence" (Batsford, 2nd ed. 1973). It doesn't mention 5...0-0 nor 5...e6 either. One suspects this is due to both moves having a serious downside! More than likely this is because White can pretty much force Black to give up that g7-Bishop. Food for thought, maybe?
Cheers,
Ion
ccmcacollister
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Ion ... I have some more info on that Yasser recommendation that I'll try to get to you and sf115 in the near future. I'd rather not discuss in the open, as one of the subvariations may currently becoming a 'hot property' at the moment, and I may want to be playing some more Grunfeld's if I don't take that Break I've promised myself.
Also something of a TN in another [Bf4] line (that a class C/B player here introduced me to! Having some delightful possiblities if followed up a bit differently than it was at the time...) that may be marginal for ~WT, but a great new otb gambit line perhaps, as some Class A plus players here seem to be answering it less than adequately in the d-base here, even in corr games. Have only seen two responses I thought were good enough as BL at that time, and that perhaps the rest should even have lost from the middlegame.
ionadowman
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Craig... ... all this sounds intriguing. Are you talking the "Grunfeld Gambit" line in your second paragraph?
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.e3 0-0 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.Nxd5 Qxd5 8.Bxc7
Seirawan gives 8...Na6 9.Bxa6 [[9.Bg3 Bf5 looks pretty decent for Black]] 9...Qxg2 10.Qf3 Qxf3 11.Nxf3 bxa6 favouring White. The problem with playing a line like this is that most of the interesting stuff has already happened and you are starting off in the late middlegame. Exchange a pair of pieces and you are into the ending. That might suit me if I were playing for a win - I fancy White's chances in this position: Black's isolated doubled a-pawns diminishes his possession of the bishop pair in my view. I like White's central pawn majority, as well. But it all feels as though one were playing only the second half of the game.
sf115, you might, if you fancy your late middlegame and endgame technique, look into this line as an alternative "Anti-Grunfeld" weapon. You have to be ready for 5...c6 or 5...c4 instead of 0-0, though. E.g.:
5...c3 6.Nf3 0-0 7.Bd3 (7...dxc4 Bxc4)
5...c4 6.dxc5 Qa5 7.Rc1 ...
[[Not 7.cxd5, apparently: after 7...Nxd5! things get sticky for White: 8.Qxd5 Bxc3+ 9.bxc3 Qxc3+ 10.Ke2 Qxa1 11.Be5 Qb1! [[12.Bxh8 Be6 13.Qd3 Qxa2+ 14.Kf3 (14.Ke1 is no better) 14...f6 (threatening ...Kf7 and ...Kg8) 15.Bg7 Nc6 16.Kg3 Rd8 16.Qe2 (16.Qb5 Qd5 -+) 16...Qb1 (threatening ...g5 and ...Qg6 winning the bishop) 17.h4 Rd1 18.Nf3 a5! and White is in no condition to stop this pawn's career. An interesting line, though, don't you think?]]
7...dxc4 8.Bxc4 0-0 9.Nf3 Qxc5 ...
sf115
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I liked the line: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 0-0 5. Bg5!!! any more info on this line? (is this Yasser Seirawan's line which is "hot property")
thunker
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sf115 I think you must have a typo... Black can't O-O on move 4 because his Bishop is in the way.... You must have left out a ... Bg7 somewhere...
sf115
ionadowman
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Well... ... I haven't all that much to add to my earlier remarks in this line. You might want to look into White's responses to 5...e6 or 5...0-0, but I don't reckon White has much to fear from them for the reasons I suggested earlier.
It looks as though we might have to wait on ccmcacollister to come up with this new info. Clearly there is some good reason why he feels he isn't in a position to provide it at this stage...
:-)
ionadowman
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Yes, you did... ...
I was going to suggest you look at the GK (1900+) database for this 5.Bg5 line. There are no examples of 5...e6, but there is one of 5...0-0 that led to a Black win. I think White went wrong with a subsequent Qb3, as up until then he seems to get a fine game after 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.cxd5 c6 8.dxc6 Nxc6 9.e3 , a pawn ahead with a central pawn majority don't look bad.
All the same, it is worth playing the game through to see what the resources for both sides, particularly Black, are. (Some are inclined to disparage the GK databases, but don't underestimate their value!)
It looks as though 5...c6 (and its transpositions) has been also successful for Black. Maybe that too has to be investigated.
sf115
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It was 15. Ra3 that lost it for him. up untill that point he was a pawn up. He wasn't losing by very much when he resigned. According to the "opening explorer" database on www.chessgames.com, it says that the moves played in top level games are: 5...Ne4, 5...dxc4, 5...c6, 5...c5, 5...0-0 and 5...e6 so it might be good to look at all these replies
ccmcacollister
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ionadowman ... Interesting Grunfeld Gambit info. Actually that line is all new to me, but adds to my impression of the Grunfeld having such a wealth of possibilities to explore. Many are not known to me, being one of those KI players who backsup with a Grunfeld sometimes, maybe looking for some fun you know :)
I'd played it from time to time before, since Fischer had played it and that is who I liked to study, but really got interested more in the opening for its own sake after reading an article by Alex Dunne on Leisure Link, in which he tracked and analyzed its use in the USCCC postal chess championship tournament in the USA. And found it fascinating. Then got into games of Al Levine from during his quest towards the WC tournament. He played a line with an early ...Nc6, without ...c5 first which was interesting to me. And got into liking to study the line too, that involved 10....Qc7 and Rd1 with Bb5, Bd5 or Bxf7+ sacs.
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In the Yasser recommended line, I've 'Liked' 5 ... Ne4 as Black. At least enough to play it. Yet there seem to be some interesting ideas there for WT to explore which I don't recall seeing before. And the BL pawn gambits there after Nxg4 etc. haven't really brought anything to mind for me that seemed particularly frightening to WT. Like gambitting the pawn c6. So in playing them I've rather regarded and treated them as drawing lines for BL to play, in his trade of pawn for activity and Bishop play.
[Then tended to lose interest during play if nothing new shows up.] But am trying to reassess and see if I might play such better as a win/lose attempt, and what chances I've maybe overlooked in the past. Which will probably be a challenging and time consuming something-to-do since it seems to me now that its WT who may have the more ideas waiting to be found/tried. I would think with ideas being there, play must come around to these lines, and likewise 4.Bf4 lines, moreso before long. & It will be interesting to see.
The last book I picked up and looked at for those did not really cover the lines well IMO. Especially those gambits. Believe it was Adorjan's.
Sounds like the Yasser book would probably help me too. I have always appreciated his tactical + positional abilities, plus ability to find concepts [such as pointing out a strong "b3" move unplayed by Karpov as WT, while commentating on that Samisch KI game. Yet tactical ability to play a mate in 14 once himself.] but have not studied him due to style and opening choices differing too much. Perhaps it is time to do so now; with his writing on this opening now.
sf115
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the yasser book would be very helpful but I'm not sure if it's detailed enough for me to use aginst very good opponents.
ionadowman
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That's fair enough... ... Seirawan's book really is just a starter, and is intended as such. If you like what he has to say so far, then you might want to look at books that deal with the line in more detail, and, if you have one available, check out openings databases for examples.
Or other contributers might have some useful info to impart...
Cheers,
Ion
bonsai
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The Seirwan line is also covered in fairly good detail in "Play 1.d4!" by Palliser.
thunker
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sf115 Check out the online database from Chessbase at -> www.chesslive.de - updated weekly. It finds 2000 games in this position. (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 )
I scanned my 2006 Chessbase database for this position for any one player above 2600.. It finds 128 games. Results are 28% white wins, 43% draws and 29% black wins. White's most promising line appears to be :
5. ... Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 and black responds either e6 or c6.
Another good option is:
5. ... Ne4 6. Bf4 Nxc3 7. bxc3 and black can either dxc4 or c5 with good chances for white.
Best line for black continues:
5. ... dxc4 6. e3 Be6 7. Be2 for an even game -or-
5. ... dxc4 6. e4 c5 7. d5 b5 and again, a very even game
But as you can see it's quite drawish either way.
I like the grunfeld playing either side though... Always makes for a fun game I think and one tiny slip from either side can make or break the game...
bonsai
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In what way is 5. ... dxc4 6. e4 c5 7. d5 b5 "very even"??? Surely that is super-sharp. Palliser does seem to think white is better after 8.e5.
Clearly and deservedly 5...Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 is the main line. Then 7.Nf3 c6 is a dodgy gambit (7.Nf3 0-0 is a better gambit try). After 7.Nf3 the move 7...e6 is the most solid reply, but gives white a calm position with a clear plan.
thunker
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sf115 Here are the games in Chessbase Mega2006 database for one player 2700 or above on the 5 ...Ne4 line. 5 games - 3 white wins, 2 black wins... The opening sequence isn't necessarily the same as your line - but the resulting position is the same.
Karpov,Anatoly (2700) - Kortschnoj,Viktor (2635) [D91]
London London, 1984
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 exd5 9.e3 0-0 10.b4 Be6 11.Be2 Nd7 12.0-0 f5 13.Re1 g5 14.Rc1 Kh8 15.Bd3 c6 16.b5 g4 17.Nd2 c5 18.dxc5 Nxc5 19.Nb3 Nxb3 20.axb3 Rc8 21.Ne2 Rxc1 22.Qxc1 Qb6 23.Nf4 Bg8 24.g3 d4 25.Bc4 Rc8 26.Qb1 dxe3 27.Rxe3 Qc5 28.Qe1 Bd4 29.Re2 Bxc4 30.bxc4 Rg8 31.Qc1 Rc8 32.Qc2 Bg7 33.Qd3 Qd4 34.Qxf5 Qxc4 35.Re7 Rd8 36.Kg2 Qb3 37.Qxg4 Rg8 38.Ng6+ 1-0
Kasparov,Garry (2805) - Swol,Michal (2140) [D91]
Katowice sim Katowice, 1993
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 exd5 9.e3 0-0 10.b4 c6 11.Be2 Be6 12.0-0 Nd7 13.Rc1 Qe7 14.Qb3 a6 15.Na4 f5 16.Rfe1 Nf6 17.Nc5 Ne4 18.Nd3 Bh6 19.Nfe5 Nd6 20.Nf4 g5 21.Nxe6 Qxe6 22.a4 Bg7 23.f4 Qh6 24.Rf1 Ne4 25.Qb2 Bxe5 26.dxe5 Qe6 27.Bd3 Rac8 28.Bxe4 fxe4 29.fxg5 Qg4 30.Qd4 Qxg5 31.Rf6 Rxf6 32.exf6 Rf8 33.Rf1 h5 34.Rf4 Rf7 35.Kf2 Kh7 36.h4 Qg6 37.Qe5 Kh6 38.a5 Rf8 39.g4 hxg4 40.Kg3 Rf7 41.Rf5 Qg8 42.Rh5+ 1-0
Ivanchuk,Vassily (2704) - Sutovsky,Emil (2652) [D91]
Sigeman & Co 11th Malmo (7), 06.05.2003
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 c6 8.Nf3 cxd5 9.e3 0-0 10.Be2 Nc6 11.0-0 e6 12.Rc1 Bd7 13.Na4 b6 14.Bb5 Qe8 15.Nc3 Na5 16.Qe2 Qe7 17.Ba6 Bc8 18.Rc2 Bxa6 19.Qxa6 Qb7 20.Qxb7 Nxb7 21.Nb5 a6 22.Nc3 Rfc8 23.Rfc1 Nd6 24.Na4 Rxc2 25.Rxc2 Rc8 26.Ne1 Rxc2 27.Nxc2 Nc8 28.Kf1 Bf8 29.Ke2 Bd6 30.h3 Kf8 31.Ne1 Ke7 32.Nd3 Kd7 33.Ne5+ Bxe5 34.dxe5 Kc6 35.Kd3 b5 36.Nc3 Nb6 37.f4 Kc5 38.Ne2 Nc4 39.b3 Na3 40.Nd4 b4 41.Nf3 h6 42.Nh2 Nb5 43.Ng4 Nc3 44.Nxh6 Nxa2 45.Nxf7 d4 46.Ng5 dxe3 47.Nxe6+ Kc6 48.Nd4+ Kd5 49.Ne2 a5 50.Kxe3 1-0
Raetsky,Alexander (2393) - Grischuk,Alexander (2719) [D91]
ACP Blitz Prelim3 playchess.com INT (2), 14.04.2004
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 exd5 9.b4 0-0 10.e3 c6 11.Be2 Qd6 12.Qb3 Be6 13.0-0 Nd7 14.Rac1 a6 15.a4 b5 16.a5 Rfe8 17.Rfe1 Bf8 18.Na2 Rac8 19.Rc2 Bf5 20.Bd3 Bg4 21.Nd2 Nf6 22.Rec1 Qd7 23.Nf1 Bd6 24.Nc3 Qe7 25.Rb2 Be6 26.h3 Ne4 27.Bxe4 dxe4 28.Qc2 Bc4 29.Nd2 Bd3 30.Qb3 Kg7 31.d5 c5 32.bxc5 Rxc5 33.Na2 Qe5 34.g3 Rxd5 35.Nb4 Bxb4 36.Qxb4 h5 37.h4 Red8 38.Rc6 R5d6 39.Rxd6 Rxd6 40.Nf1 Rc6 41.Kg2 Rc4 42.Qd2 Qf6 43.Nh2 Qc6 44.Ra2 Rc1 45.Qb2+ Qc3 46.Qxc3+ Rxc3 0-1
Volkov,Sergey (2629) - Svidler,Peter (2733) [D91]
ACP Blitz Final playchess.com INT (2.2), 17.04.2004
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.Nc3 d5 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 exd5 9.e3 0-0 10.Be2 c6 11.0-0 Nd7 12.b4 a6 13.a4 a5 14.b5 Re8 15.Rc1 Qe7 16.Ne1 Qd6 17.Nd3 Nf6 18.Qb3 Bf5 19.Rfd1 Rab8 20.h3 h5 21.Bf1 Bh6 22.Kh1 h4 23.Nc5 Re7 24.Bd3 Bxd3 25.Nxd3 Rbe8 26.bxc6 bxc6 27.Qb6 Nh5 28.Ne5 Re6 29.Qxa5 f6 30.Ng4 Bg7 31.Ne2 f5 32.Nh2 f4 33.Nxf4 Nxf4 34.exf4 Qxf4 35.Nf3 Re2 36.Rf1 Rxf2 37.Qc3 Re3 38.Qxc6 Rexf3 39.Qxd5+ Kh7 40.Qxf3 Rxf3 41.gxf3 Qg3 42.Rcd1 Qxh3+ 43.Kg1 Qg3+ 44.Kh1 Bf8 45.a5 Bd6 46.Rd2 Qg5 47.Ra2 Qd5 48.Rff2 h3 49.a6 Qxd4 50.Rf1 Bc5 51.Rc1 Ba7 52.Rc7+ Kh6 53.Rc1 Qd3 54.Kh2 Qxf3 55.Rcc2 Bb8+ 56.Kg1 Qd1+ 57.Kf2 h2 0-1
thunker
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bonsai Here are the games from Chessbase for one player 2600 and above for the 5. ... dxc4 6. e4 c5 7. d5 b5 line. 6 games, 2 for white, 1 draw and 3 for black. Draw your own conclusions! ;-)
Smyslov,Vassily (2605) - Liebert,Heinz (2450) [D91]
Szolnok Szolnok (9), 24.10.1975
1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 c5 7.d5 b5 8.e5 b4 9.exf6 exf6 10.Qe2+ Kf8 11.Be3 bxc3 12.Bxc5+ Kg8 13.bxc3 Ba6 14.Qd2 Nd7 15.Bb4 h5 16.Be2 Bh6 17.Qd1 Nb6 18.d6 Qd7 19.0-0 Kg7 20.Re1 Rad8 21.Qd4 Qc6 22.Rad1 Rhe8 23.Bf1 Rxe1 24.Nxe1 Bb5 25.g3 Ba4 26.Bg2 Qb5 27.Ra1 a5 28.Ba3 Nc8 29.Nf3 Nxd6 30.Re1 Nb7 31.Qa7 Nd6 32.Nd4 Qd7 33.Qxa5 Bd2 34.Re2 Re8 35.Bxd6 Rxe2 36.Nxe2 Bd1 37.Qd5 1-0
Huebner,Robert (2615) - Ehlvest,Jaan (2605) [D91]
EUCup Bayern-Lyon Bayern (2), 1991
[Huebner,R]
1.d4 Ftacnik Die Zahlen am Ende der Kommentarzeilen geben jeweils die bis zur Zeitkontrolle verbleibende Zeit in Minuten an. 120 1...Nf6 116 2.c4 120 2...g6 114 3.Nc3 120 3...d5 114 4.Nf3 120 4...Bg7 114 5.Bg5 119 5...dxc4 105 6.e4 108 6...c5 100 7.d5 99 [7.Bxc4] 7...b5 100 8.e5 99 Diagramm [8.Bxf6 exf6 (8...Bxf6 9.e5 (9.Nxb5 Bxb2) 9...Bg7 10.Nxb5 Qa5+ 11.Nc3 Nd7 12.Bxc4 Nxe5 13.Bb5+ (13.Nxe5 Bxe5 14.Bb5+ Kf8) 13...Bd7 14.Nxe5 (14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 Schwarz hat keine Sorgen.) 14...Bxb5 Schwarz hat keine Sorgen.; 9.Nxb5 Qa5+ 10.Nc3 f5 11.e5 Nd7 Boleslavski(ECO D[2.Auflage]91/3 Fußnote 13) 12.Bxc4 0-0 13.Qe2 Dieser Zug ist wohl nicht das Beste. (13.0-0 Nxe5 14.Nxe5 Bxe5 15.Qd3 Rb8 16.Rae1 Weiß hat das bequemere Spiel.) 13...Re8 14.0-0 Nxe5 15.Bb5 Bd7 16.Bxd7 (16.Nxe5? Bxe5 17.Bxd7 Bxh2+ 18.Kxh2 Rxe2 19.Nxe2 Qc7+-+) 16...Nxd7 17.Qd3 Nb6 Der Anziehende hat Mühe mit der Verteidigung des d-Bauern. 18.Nd2 Qb4] 8...b4 100 9.exf6 99 9...exf6 100 10.Qe2+ 96 [10.Bd2 bxc3 11.Bxc3 0-0 12.Bxc4 Re8+ Gufeld/Informator 25/685/ 13.Kf1 Nd7µ Weiß hat Schwierigkeiten mit der Entwicklung seines Königsturmes.] 10...Kf8 98 11.Be3 89 [11.Bd2 bxc3 12.Bxc3 Qxd5 13.Rd1 (13.Qxc4 Be6 (13...Qxc4 14.Bxc4 Be6 Schwarz keinerlei Probleme. 15.Bxe6 fxe6 16.0-0-0 Ke7) 14.Qxd5 Bxd5 15.0-0-0 Bxf3 16.gxf3 Nc6 17.Rd7 Rd8 18.Rc7 Bh6+ 19.Kc2 (19.Kb1 Rd1+ 20.Kc2 Rc1+) 19...Nd4+ 20.Kb1 Kg7 21.Bc4 Rhf8 22.Rxa7 Nxf3 Die Lage ist unklar.; 13...Qe6 14.Qxe6 Bxe6 15.Nd2 Nc6 16.Bxc4 f5 Weiß hat nichts als Sorgen.;
11.Qxc4 bxc3 12.Qxc5+ Kg8 13.Bc1 (13.Be3 cxb2 14.Rb1 f5 Weiß muß sich nun schleunigst um die Eroberung des b-Bauer kümmern, während Schwarz den gegnerischen d-Bauern erhält und klar in Vorteil kommt.) 13...f5 (13...Qe8+ 14.Qe3 Qxe3+ 15.fxe3 f5 16.Nd4 cxb2 17.Bxb2 Bb7 18.Rc1 Weiß hat gutes Gegenspiel.) 14.bxc3 Nd7 Diese Zugfolge sichert dem Schwarzen ohne Opfer einen gewaltigen Entwicklungsvorsprung. 15.Qc6 Bb7] 11...bxc3 97 12.Bxc5+ 88 12...Kg8 97 13.bxc3 88 13...Nd7 Diagramm 79 [13...Ba6 Smyslov-Liebert/Szolnok/1975/ 14.Qd2 … 15.¥e2 Diese Fortsetzung ist offenbar schwächer, da Weiß Zeit zur Entwicklung des Königsflügels erhält.] 14.Be7 … 15.£c4 78 [14.Qxc4 Ba6 Diagramm a) 14...f5?! 15.Bd4 (15.Rc1 Ba6 (15...Nb6 16.Qd3) 16.Qxa6 Nxc5 17.Qc4 Rc8 18.Nd4 Ne4 19.Nc6 Qb6 Schwarz steht auf Gewinn. 20.Ne7+ Kf8 21.Qxc8+ Kxe7; 15...Nb6 16.Qd3 Qxd5 17.Be2 Weiß hat nichts zu fürchten.;
b) 14...Qe8+?! 15.Be2 f5 b1) 15...Ba6 16.Qxa6 Nxc5 17.Qb5 Diese Zugfolge ist auch nicht überzeugend.; b2) 15...a5 16.Be3 f5 17.Rc1 Ba6 18.Qa4 (18.Qh4 Bxe2 19.Kxe2 Nf6 20.c4 h6 … 21... g5, 22... f4 Diese Zugfolge birgt Gefahren für Weiß.) 18...Bh6 (18...Bxe2 19.Kxe2 Schwarz hat Mühe, eine wirksame Fortsetzung des Angriffs zu finden.) 19.Rc2 Bxe3 20.fxe3 Qxe3 21.Qd4± (21.Qxd7? Rb8) ; b3) 15...Nxc5 16.Qxc5 Ba6 17.c4 (17.Qe3 Qa4 (17...Qd7 Gufeld 18.Ne5) 18.0-0 Re8 19.Qxe8+ Qxe8 20.Bxa6 Der d-Bauer wird dem Schwarzen noch Kopfschmerzen bereiten. Weiß steht nicht schlechter.; 17...Rc8 18.Qe3 Bxc4 19.Bxc4 Qxe3+ 20.fxe3 Rxc4 Es ist eine scharfe schwer abzuschätzende Endspielstellung entstanden.; 16.0-0 Nxc5 17.Qxc5 Qxe2 18.Rae1 Diese Zugfolge führt Schwarz nicht zum gewünschten Ziel.; 15.Qxa6 (15.Qb4 Nxc5 16.Qxc5 Rc8 17.Qxa7 Bxf1 18.Kxf1 Qxd5 Weiß muß ohne den Königsturm spielen, wärend sein schwarzer Kollege leicht aktiviert werden kann; er schwebt in höchster Lebensgefahr.) 15...Nxc5 16.Qc4 f5 17.Be2 Ne4 18.0-0 Rc8 Weiß verliert unter ungünstigen Umständen beide Mittelbauern.;
14.Bd4 Nb6 (14...Bb7 15.Qxc4 Ne5 (15...Nb6 16.Qb5 Dies ist wenig erfreulich für Schwarz.(16.Qb5 Ftacnik 16...Qxd5 17.Qxd5 Bxd5 18.Bd3 f5÷ Costa,JL-Fogarasi,T/Mitropa Cup/1991/) ; 16.Qb5 Nxf3+ 17.gxf3 Bxd5 18.Be2=; 15.Qd2 Qxd5 (15...Bg4 16.Bxb6 axb6 17.Bxc4 Schwarz hat Mühe, nachzuweisen, daß er genügend Kompensation für seinen Materialrückstand hat.; 15...Ba6 16.Bxb6 axb6 17.Be2 Weiß hat ein schönes Spiel.) 16.Bxb6 Qxd2+ 17.Kxd2 axb6 18.Bxc4 Weiß hat aufgrund seines Entwicklungsvorsprungs Vorteil im Endspiel.] 14...Qe8 72 15.Ba3 (?) 50 [15.d6 Nb6 16.g3 Diagramm (16.Rd1? Lavdanski-Grigorjan/UdSSR 1978/Informator 25/685 16...Bb7 17.Qb2 (17.g3 f5) 17...Bxf3 18.gxf3 Bf8 Weiß hat keine Freude mehr an der Partie.; 16...Nd5 Gufeld (16...f5 17.Rc1 (17.Nd4 Bb7) 17...Nd5 18.Bg2 Nxc3 (18...Bxc3+ 19.Nd2 Bxd2+ (19...Be6 20.Bxd5 Bxd5 21.Rxc3 Bxh1 22.f3) 20.Qxd2 Nxe7 21.Bxa8 Diese Zugfolgen verheißen dem Schwarzen nichts Gutes.; 19.Qxc4 Be6 20.Qd3 Nd5 (20...Rc8 21.Nd4 Dies ist auch nicht verlockend.; 20...Nxa2 21.Rc5 Nb4 22.Qd2 Dies ist auch nicht vertrauenserweckend.) 21.Nd4 Schwarz hat große Probleme. 21...Nxe7 22.Nxe6; 17.Bg2 f5 18.0-0 Rb8 (18...Bxc3 19.Rad1 Die Stellung des Weißen ist gewinnträchtig.; 18...Bf6 19.Nd4 Nxc3 20.Qxc4 Bxd4 21.Bxa8 Be6 22.Qc6 Die Sellung des Weißen ist gewinnträchtig.) 19.Rac1±;
15.Bb4 Bb7 16.0-0-0 Qd8 Diagramm (16...Nb6?! Flear-Kouatly/Brüssel 1986/Informator 42/610; 16...Nb6 Ftacnik 17.Qxe8+ Rxe8 18.d6 Bf8 19.d7 Rd8 20.Bxf8 Kxf8 21.Rd4 Bd5 22.Nd2 Rxd7 23.Nxc4 Ke7= Flear,G-Kouatly,B/Brussels II/1986/) 17.Qe7 (17.Qxc4 Nb6 18.Qb3 Bxd5 19.c4 Qc8-+; 17.g3 a5 18.Ba3 f5 Die Stellung des Weißen ist wenig beneidenswert.) 17...Qc8 18.Rd4 a) 18.d6 a5 19.Ba3 Bxf3 (19...Qc6 20.Rd4) 20.gxf3 f5 (20...Rb8 21.Bh3 f5 22.Bxf5 gxf5 23.Rhg1 Der Anziehende hat einen starken Angriff. 23...Qd8 24.Rxg7+ (24.Kc2 Nf8 25.d7) 24...Kxg7 25.Rg1+ Kh6 26.Qe3+ Kh5 27.f4 Qh4 28.Rg3 Diese Zugfolge ist höchst ungemütlich für Schwarz.; 21.Qe3 Qc6 Weiß dürfte auf die Dauer kaum überleben können.;
b) 18.Qe1 Nb6 Auch diese Stellung ist unerfreulich für Weiß.; 18...Bf8 19.Qe1 Bxb4 20.cxb4 Nb6 21.d6 Kg7 Der König des Weißen steht äußerst luftig; sein Königsflügel kann nicht ohne Weiteres entwickelt werden. Schwarz dürfte auf Gewinn stehen.] 15...Bb7 70 16.0-0-0 49 [16.Qxe8+ Ftacnik 16...Rxe8+ 17.Kd2 Bxd5µ] 16...Qd8 65 17.Qxc4 Diagramm 41 [17.Qe7 Qc8 Vergleiche die Anmerkungen zu 15.¥a3 Variante 15.¥b4.;
17.d6 f5 Weiß hat nun wenig Freude.] 17...Nb6 50 [17...Rc8 18.Qb3 Nb6 19.c4 Bxd5 20.Kb1 Be4+ (20...Rb8 21.Bb2 Nxc4? 22.Rxd5) 21.Bd3] 18.Qb4 29 [18.Qb3 Bxd5 19.c4 Qc8-+] 18...Rc8 46 [¹18...Bxd5 19.Ba6 Qc7 20.Rhe1 Bf8 (20...Bc4? 21.Re7 Qf4+ 22.Nd2 Bh6 (22...Bf8? 23.Bxc4 Bxe7 24.Bxf7+) 23.g3 Qg4 24.h3+-; 21.Qa5 Bxa3+ 22.Qxa3 Bxf3 23.gxf3 Kg7µ] 19.d6? 25 [19.Bb2 Diagramm 19...f5 (19...Bxd5 20.Ba6 Rc7 21.Rhe1=) 20.Bd3 Dies sieht richtig aus. a) 20.d6 vgl. Partie; b) 20.Nd4 Bf8 21.Qa5 Bxd5 Auch diese Zugfolge birgt große Gefahren für Weiß. 22.Ba6 Rc5; c) 20.Kb1 Nxd5 21.Qxb7 Nxc3+-+; d) 20.c4 Bxb2+ 21.Kxb2 Qf6+ Dies sieht sehr riskant für Weiß aus. 22.Kb3 (22.Kb1 Kg7 Dies ist nicht günstiger für Weiß.) 22...Kg7 23.Qc3 Qxc3+ 24.Kxc3 Nxd5+ (24...Bxd5 25.Rd4) 25.Kb3 Nf4 Schwarz dürfte auf Gewinn stehen, da Weiß seine Kräfte nicht koordinieren kann; 20...Bxd5 21.Ba6;
19.c4 Ftacnik 19...Bxd5‚] 19...f5 38 20.Bb2 15 [20.c4 a5 a) 20...Nxc4?! 21.Bxc4 Ba6 22.Nd2 Bh6 23.Kb1 (23.Kc2 Bxd2 24.Qxd2 Rxc4+ 25.Kb1ƒ) 23...Rb8 (23...Bxc4 24.Nxc4 Rb8 25.d7 Rxb4+ 26.Bxb4 Die Stellung des Nachziehenden lößt keine Begeisterung aus.) 24.Bxa6 Rxb4+ 25.Bxb4 Qb6 26.d7 Qxb4+ 27.Nb3 Schwarz hat Schwierigkeiten.; b) 20...Be4 21.Bb2 Vgl. Partie; 21.Qxa5 (21.Qb3 Bc6 … 22... ¥a4 22.Bc5 Na4 23.Bd4 Qxd6 24.Bxg7 Qf4+ 25.Qe3 Qxe3+ 26.fxe3 Kxg7-+ Diagramm) 21...Qf6 … 22... ¤c4, 22... £a1 22.d7 a) 22.Qb4 Qa1+ 23.Kd2 Qxa2+ 24.Kc1 (24.Ke1 Re8+) 24...Be4 25.Bd3 Rxc4+ 26.Qxc4 Nxc4 Nebst matt in wenigen Zügen.; b) 22.Nd2 Qa1+ 23.Nb1 (23.Kc2 Qxa2+ 24.Kd3 Nxc4-+) 23...Bh6+ Schwarz gibt in Kürze matt.(23...Nxc4 24.d7 Bh6+ 25.Kc2 Qxa2+ Schwarz gibt in Kürze matt.) ; c) 22.Qxb6 Qc3+ 23.Kb1 Be4+ 24.Bd3 Bxd3+ 25.Rxd3 Qxd3+ 26.Kc1 Rxc4#; 22...Qa1+ 23.Kd2 Qxa2+ Diagramm 24.Kc1 (24.Ke1 Nxd7 25.Rxd7 Re8+ 26.Kd1 Qb3+ Schwarz bekommt entscheidenden Angriff.) 24...Nxd7 (24...Bb2+ 25.Bxb2 Qxa5 26.d8Q+ Rxd8 27.Rxd8#) 25.Rxd7 Be4 (25...Bb2+ 26.Bxb2 Qxa5 27.Rxb7=) 26.Bd3 Bxd3 27.Rxd3 Rxc4+ 28.Kd1 Qc2+ 29.Ke1 Re4+ 30.Re3 Bc3+-+] 20...Be4 36 21.c4 13 [21.Bd3 Nd5 … 22... ¤c3 -+;
21.d7 Bh6+ 22.Nd2 Qxd7 23.c4 Nxc4 24.Bxc4 Qd3 nebst matt.;
21.Ba6 Bh6+ 22.Nd2 Nd5 23.Qa3 Nxc3 24.Bxc3 Qb6 25.Qb2 Rxc3+ nebst matt] 21...Bxb2+-+ 20 22.Kxb2 13 22...Rb8 15 23.Ka1 6 [23.Kc1 Nxc4 24.Qxc4 Rc8 25.d7 Rxc4+ 26.Bxc4 Kg7 Diese Zugfolge bietet dem Weißen keine Rettungschancen.] 23...Na4? 10 [23...Nd5 24.Qd2 Bxf3 25.gxf3 Qf6+ 26.Qd4 Nb4-+ Ehlvest] 24.Qd2 6 [24.Qxa4 Ftacnik 24...Qf6+ 25.Nd4 Qxd4+ 26.Rxd4 Rb1#] 24...Rb2?+- 10 [24...Qb6 25.Be2 Qxf2 Diese Stellung ist schwer einzuschätzen.] 25.Qd4 6 25...Qa5 10 26.Nd2 Diagramm … 27.d7 3 [26.d7 Rxa2+ 27.Kxa2 Nc5+ 28.Kb2 Qb4+ 29.Kc1 (29.Ka2 Qb3+ 30.Ka1 Qa3#) 29...Nb3+ 30.Kb2 Nxd4+;
26.Bd3 Rxa2+ 27.Kxa2 Nc5+ 28.Kb1 Qb4+ 29.Qb2 (29.Kc2 Qa4+) 29...Bxd3+ 30.Rxd3 Qxb2+ 31.Kxb2 Nxd3+ 32.Kc3 Nc5 (32...Nxf2 33.c5) 33.Rd1 Kg7 34.Rd5 … 35.¤e5 +-] 26...Bc6 … 27... £b4 6 27.Nb3 2 [27.c5 … 28.¥c4 27...Rxa2+ a) 27...h5 28.Bc4 (28.Nc4 Rxa2+ 29.Kxa2 Nc3+ 30.Kb2 Qb4+ 31.Kc1 Na2+ (31...Qb1+ 32.Kd2 Nxd1) 32.Kc2 Ba4+ Diese Zugfolge ist weniger klar.; 28...Kh7 29.Bb3+-;
b) 27...Rb7 28.Bc4 Nxc5 29.Rhe1+-; c) 27...Bd5 28.Bc4 (28.Nc4 Rxa2+ 29.Kxa2 Nc3+ 30.Kb3+-) 28...Rxa2+ (28...Rxd2 29.Qxd2 Qxd2 30.Rxd2 Bxc4 31.d7+-) 29.Kxa2 Nc3+ (29...Nxc5+ 30.Kb1+-) 30.Kb3+-; 28.Kxa2 Nc3+ 29.Kb2 Nxd1+ 30.Kc1 Nc3 31.Bc4 (31.Nb3 Qa3+ 32.Kc2 Ne4 33.Bc4 (33.f3 Ba4 34.Bc4 Qxc5 Schwarz hat ausreichendes Gegenspiel.) 33...Qa2+ 34.Qb2 Qxb2+ 35.Kxb2 Nxf2 36.Ra1 Weiß gewinnt.; 31...Qa1+ 32.Kc2 Qxh1 (32...Ba4+ 33.Kd3) 33.Qxc3 Diagramm 33...Qe1 (33...h5 34.Bxf7+ Kxf7 35.Qxh8 Qxg2 (35...Ba4+ 36.Kb2) 36.Qh7+ Ke6 37.Qe7+ Kd5 38.d7+-; 34.Qf6 Be4+ (34...Qe8 35.Nf3+-) 35.Nxe4 Qxe4+ 36.Kb3 Qb1+ 37.Ka4 Die Schachs gehen dem Nachziehenden bald aus; Weiß gwinnt.;
27.d7 Ftacnik 27...Bxd7 28.Qxd7 Qc3-+] 27...Qb4 6 28.Rd2? [28.Rb1 Rxa2+ a) 28...Be4 29.Bd3+-; b) 28...Rc2 29.Bd3+-; c) 28...Rxb1+ 29.Kxb1 Qe1+ 30.Kc2 Be4+ (30...h5 31.f3 Kh7 32.c5 Rb8 33.Bb5 (33.Rg1 Rb4 34.Qd2+-) 33...Qxh1 34.Bxc6 Qxg2+ 35.Qd2 Qf1 36.Bxa4 Qc4+ 37.Kb2 Qxa4 38.Qd5 Qb5 39.Qxf7+ Kh6 Diese Zugfolge führt zu keinem klarem Ergebnis.; 31.Bd3 Bxd3+ 32.Qxd3 (32.Kxd3 Qxh1 33.d7 Qb1+ (33...Qd1+ 34.Nd2; 33...Qf1+ 34.Kd2) 34.Ke3 Qe1+ 35.Kf4 g5+ 36.Kg3 f4+ 37.Kf3 g4+ 38.Kxf4+-; 32...Qxh1 33.d7 Kg7 34.Qd4+ f6 35.d8Q Rxd8 36.Qxd8+-; 29.Kxa2 Nc3+ 30.Kb2 Nxb1 Diagramm 31.Be2 a) 31.d7 Bxd7 32.Qxd7 Qc3+ 33.Kxb1 Qxb3+ 34.Kc1 Qc3+ 35.Kd1 Kg7 Diese Zugfolge ist nicht ersprießlich für Weiß. Der a-Bauer der Schwarzen wird gefährlich vorrücken.; b) 31.Bd3 Nd2 (31...Ba4 32.Bc2 b1) 32.Rxb1? Qxb3+ 33.Kc1 Qd1+=; b2) 32.Kxb1 Qxb3+ 33.Kc1 h5 34.d7 Bxd7 (34...Kh7 35.Qxh8+) 35.Qxd7 Qc3+ 36.Bc2 Qxc4 Schwarz hat erkleckliche Gegenchancen.(36...Qa1+ 37.Bb1 Qc3+ 38.Kd1 Qxc4) ; 32...Bxb3 33.Bxb3 (33.Rxb1 Qxc4 (33...Bxc4+ 34.Kc1 Qe1+ 35.Bd1) 34.Qxc4 Bxc4 35.Kc3 Be6 36.Rb8+ Kg7 37.Rxh8 Kxh8 38.Ba4+-; 33...Nd2 34.d7 Diagramm 34...Qxb3+ 35.Kc1 Diese Variante ist im Verlauf mit der Variante 31.¥e2 ¥a4 32.¥d1 identisch.; 32.Qc3 Qxb3+ 33.Qxb3 Nxb3 34.Kxb3 … 35.¦a1 +-; 31...Qa3+ a) 31...Be4 32.Rxb1 Bxb1 33.d7+-; b) 31...Ba4 32.Kxb1 b1) 32.Rxb1? Qxb3+ 33.Kc1 (33.Ka1 Qa3#) 33...Qc2#; b2) 32.Bd1 Bxb3 (32...Qa3+ 33.Kxb1 Bxb3 34.Bxb3 Qxb3+ 35.Kc1+-) 33.Bxb3 Nd2 34.d7 Qxb3+ 35.Kc1+-; 32...Bxb3 (32...Qxb3+ 33.Qb2+-) 33.Qb2 … 34.d7 … 34.¥d1 +-; 32.Kc2 (32.Kxb1? Be4+) 32...Be4+ (32...Qa2+ 33.Qb2 Na3+ (33...Be4+ 34.Kc1) 34.Kc1; 33.Bd3 Qa2+ 34.Kc1 Qxb3 35.Bxe4 Nc3 (35...fxe4 36.d7) 36.Bd3 Der weiße d-Bauer ist nicht aufzuhalten.;
28.d7? Bxd7 29.Qxd7 Qa3 30.Nc1 (30.Qd8+ Ftacnik 30...Kg7 31.Qd4+ f6 32.Nc1 (32.Qxa7+ Kh6 33.Qe3+ g5-+) 32...Nc3-+; 30...Nc3 31.Qe8+ Kg7 32.Qe5+ f6 33.Rd7+ Kh6 34.Qe3+ g5 35.Qh3+ Kg6-+;
28.Bd3? Qa3 29.Bb1 (29.Nc1 Nc3) 29...Rxb3-+] 28...Rxb3 5 29.axb3 2 29...Qa3+ 5 [29...Qxb3 30.Bd3 Nc3 31.Bb1 Der Nachziehende kommt nicht weiter.] 30.Kb1 2 [30.Ra2 Qc1#] 30...Qxb3+ 5 31.Kc1 2 [31.Rb2 Nxb2 32.Qxb2 Qd1+ … 33... £d6 Diese Zugfolge ist unerfreulich für Weiß.(32...Qd1+ Ftacnik 33.Ka2 Qxd6µ) ;
31.Ka1 Ftacnik 31...Nc3-+] 31...Qa3+ 5 32.Kc2 [32.Kd1 Nc3+ 33.Ke1 (33.Kc2 Ba4+ 34.Kd3 Nb5+-+) 33...Qc1+ 34.Rd1 Nxd1 35.Qxd1 Qc3+ 36.Qd2 Qa1+ 37.Qd1 Qe5+ 38.Be2 Kg7-+] 32...Nc5 Diagramm 3 33.Qb2?-+ 1 [33.Kd1 h5 (33...Nb3 34.Qb2 Qa4 35.Bd3 (35.Qa2!? A.Trauth) 35...Nxd2+ 36.Kxd2 Qa5+ 37.Ke2+-; 34.h4 Die Einschaltung des Zugpaares 34.£b2 £a5 bringt dem Weißen keinen Vorteil. (34.f3 Kh7 35.Ke2 (35.Ke1 Qb4 Dies ist unangenehm.) 35...Re8+ 36.Kf2 Nb3 37.Qc3 Qc5+ 38.Kg3 f4+ Weiß überlebt nicht.; 34...Kh7 35.Rh3 Qa4+ (35...Ba4+ 36.Ke2 Re8+ 37.Re3) 36.Ke1 Re8+ (36...Nb3 37.Rxb3) 37.Re3 Nb3 38.Qc3 Weiß hat mindestens Ausgleich. Diagramm] 33...Qa4+ 3 34.Kc1 1 [34.Kb1 Ftacnik 34...Be4+ 35.Rc2µ] 34...Nb3+ 3 35.Kd1 1 35...Nxd2+ 3 36.Kxd2 1 36...Qa5+ 3 37.Qc3 1 [37.Ke2 Qc5 38.Qf6 Qxc4+ Schwarz findet bald Gelegenheit zu h5 und ¢h7;der weiße König bleibt Spielball der schwarzen Figuren.;
37.Kd3 Qe1 Weiß wird h5 nebst ¢h7 nicht verhindern können.;
37.Kc2 Ba4+ 38.Kd3 Qe1 Diese Zugfolge ergibt keinen wesentlichen Unterschied zu der Variante 37.¢d3.] 37...Qc5 2 38.Qf6 1 [38.f3 Qxd6+ 39.Bd3 h5 Aufgrund der Schwäche des Königsflügels scheint diese Stellung für Weiß hoffnungslos zu sein.] 38...Qb4+ Diagramm 1 39.Ke3? 1 [39.Kd1 Ba4+ 40.Kc1 Qe1+ 41.Kb2 Qxf2+ 42.Ka3 Qc2 43.Qb2 Qd1-+] 39...Qe1+ 1 40.Kf4 1 [40.Kd3 Be4+ 41.Kd4 Qa1+-+;
40.Be2 Qxh1-+ (40...Qxh1 Ftacnik 41.d7 Bxd7 42.Qd8+ Kg7 43.Qxd7 Rb8-+) ] 40...Qe4+ 1 41.Kg5 Qg4+ [41...h6# Ftacnik] 42.Kh6 Qh5# 0-1
Seirawan,Yasser (2595) - Anand,Viswanathan (2710) [D91]
Amber-blind 2nd Monte Carlo (6), 1993
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 c5 7.d5 b5 8.e5 b4 9.exf6 exf6 10.Be3 bxc3 11.bxc3 f5 12.Rc1 Qa5 13.Bxc4 0-0 14.0-0 Nd7 15.Qd2 Nf6 16.Bh6 Rd8 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 18.Bb3 c4 19.Bxc4 Bb7 20.Qb2 Rab8 21.Bb3 Bxd5 22.Nd4 Qc5 23.Rfd1 Bc4 24.Qc2 Ne4 25.f3 Nf6 26.Qf2 Rbc8 27.Bxc4 Qxc4 28.Nb3 Rxd1+ 29.Rxd1 Qxc3 30.Qxa7 Qb2 31.Rd2 Qb1+ 32.Kf2 Re8 33.Re2 Rxe2+ 34.Kxe2 Qh1 35.Kf2 Qxh2 36.Qd4 g5 37.Nc5 Kg6 38.Nd3 Qc7 39.Ne5+ Kg7 40.a4 h5 41.Nc4 h4 42.Kf1 h3 43.gxh3 Qg3 44.Ne5 Qxh3+ 45.Ke2 Qg2+ 46.Kd3 Nh5 47.a5 Nf4+ 48.Kc4 Qc2+ 49.Kb4 Ne2 50.Qa1 f6 51.Nc4 Nf4 52.Qd1 Qxd1 0-1
Oll,Lembit (2640) - Sokolov,Ivan (2665) [D91]
Parnu-A Parnu (5), 06.02.1996
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 c5 7.d5 b5 8.d6 Qxd6 9.e5 Qxd1+ 10.Rxd1 Nfd7 11.Nxb5 Na6 12.Bxc4 Nb6 13.Be2 h6 14.Be3 0-0 15.Nc3 Bb7 16.0-0 1/2-1/2
Hoi,Carsten (2419) - Nielsen,Peter Heine (2626) [D91]
Politiken Cup 24th Copenhagen (4), 18.07.2002
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.Nc3 d5 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 c5 7.d5 b5 8.e5 b4 9.exf6 exf6 10.Qe2+ Kf8 11.Bd2 bxc3 12.Bxc3 Qxd5 13.Qxc4 Be6 14.Qxd5 Bxd5 15.0-0-0 Bxa2 16.Bb5 Ke7 17.Rhe1+ Be6 18.Ng5 Rc8 19.Ne4 a6 20.Ba4 f5 21.Nd6 Bh6+ 22.Kc2 Rd8 23.Nb7 Rxd1 24.Kxd1 Nd7 25.b4 Nb6 26.Nxc5 Nxa4 27.Nxa4 Kd6 28.Kc2 Bd5 29.Nb6 Rb8 30.Be5+ Kc6 31.Nxd5 Rb5 32.Nc3 Rxb4 33.Rd1 Bf8 34.Ra1 Kb7 35.Rd1 Kc6 36.f3 Bc5 37.Ra1 Kb7 38.Rd1 Kc6 39.Rd8 h5 40.Rc8+ 1-0
Zaitsev,Mikhail (2471) - Rublevsky,Sergei (2672) [D91]
RUS Cup Qualifier 3 chessassistantclub.com INT, 21.10.2004
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 c5 7.d5 b5 8.Bxf6 exf6 9.Nxb5 Qa5+ 10.Nc3 Ba6 11.Nd2 f5 12.exf5 0-0 13.fxg6 hxg6 14.Rc1 Re8+ 15.Be2 Nd7 16.0-0 Ne5 17.Qc2 Rab8 18.b3 cxb3 19.Nxb3 Qb6 20.Na4 Qf6 21.Bxa6 Qxa6 22.Naxc5 Qd6 23.Qe4 a5 24.h3 Rb4 25.Qe2 Qxd5 26.Rfd1 Qa8 27.Qa6 Qxa6 28.Nxa6 Ra4 29.Rc2 Ra3 30.Nc7 Rc8 31.Rdd2 a4 32.Nd4 Rd3 33.Ndb5 Rcd8 34.Rxd3 Rxd3 35.Kf1 Rd1+ 36.Ke2 Rg1 37.g3 Rg2 38.Nd5 Rh2 39.h4 Ng4 40.Kf3 Ne5+ 41.Ke2 Ng4 42.Kf1 Rh1+ 43.Kg2 Rd1 44.Nbc3 Rd3 45.Ne7+ Kf8 46.Ncd5 Ke8 47.Rc4 Nf6 48.Nxf6+ Bxf6 49.Nc6 a3 50.Ra4 Bb2 51.Ra7 Kf8 52.Nb4 Rd2 53.Ra8+ Kg7 54.Kf3 Bc3 55.Nc6 Rxa2 56.Ke3 Bb2 57.Nb4 Ra1 58.Nc2 Rc1 59.Kd2 Rf1 60.Ke2 Rc1 61.Kd2 Rf1 62.Ke2 Rb1 63.Ra6 Rc1 64.Kd2 Rf1 65.Ke2 Rc1 0-1
sf115
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I think the 5...Ne4 line is better because it seems to be more solid. There are better players in this line.
Why is the anaysis in German?
thunker
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In german Because the annotator was probably German. That's how the game stored in database.
thunker
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sf115 This isn't from a website. This is the ChessBase MegaBase 2006 database that I purchased. It's the same as buying a book - if a page is in German, then all you can do is try to translate it. Most of the games that are annotated are in English, but this one happens to be German. You'll either have to find a German speaking person to translate, or manually translate it via on online translator such as -> babelfish.altavista.com
bonsai
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A game for 5...c5 Here's a game I played in November in a league match where my opponent played 5...c5:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 c5 6.dxc5 Qa5 7.cxd5 Nxd5 8.Qxd5 Bxc3+ 9.Bd2 Be6 10.Qxb7 Bxd2+ 11.Nxd2 0-0 12.b4 Qa3 13.Qxa8 Rd8 14.e4 Qxb4 15.Rd1 Qxc5 16.Qb7 Nc6 17.Bb5 Nd4 18.0-0 Bc8 19.Nb3 Qg5 20.Rxd4 Bxb7 21.Rxd8+ Kg7 22.Bd3 e5 23.Re8 Bc6 24.Rb8 f5 25.Nc5 Kh6 26.Rc8 Qf6 27.Rc1 Qd6 28.h4 1-0
12...Qa4 is an improvement for black, but still better for white. In the end I was a bit sloppy and 20.Qc7 would have finished the game even faster. In the final position he lost on time, but it was fairly hopeless for him anyway.
This is a game I won against GM Ftacnik in a simulataneous:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 0-0 8.Nge4 c6 9.dxc6 Nxc6 10.e3 e5 11.d5 Ne7 12.Bc4 a6 13.a4 Bf5 14.0-0 Rc8 15.Bb3 Qb6 16.a5 Qa7 17.Ng3 Bd7 18.Qd2 Rfd8 19.Rfc1 b5 20.e4 Rc5 21.Na2 Nc8 22.Nb4 Bf8 23.Kh1 Rxc1+ 24.Rxc1 Bxb4 25.Qxb4 Qxf2 26.Qc3 Qf6 27.Rf1 Qd6 28.h4 Ne7 29.Qd2 Kg7 30.Qg5 Rf8 31.Nh5+ Kh8 32.Qh6 Rg8 33.Rxf7 1-0
23.Qg5 would have kept my advantage, but I blundered it away. However he managed to throw the game away again with 29...Kg7.
wote
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you can always try to get into a 4 pawn attack, Transposed
***Min 1600 please***(1)
another_ken vs. grietje
4 days per move
started: 09-Jan-06, ended: 13-Jan-06
Kings Indian four pawn attack
Result: white won (black resigned)
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. f4 Nb-d7
6. e5 Ng8
7. Nf3 e6
8. Be3 Ne7
9. Bd3 O-O
10. O-O Re8
11. g4 f6
12. f5 fxe5
13. Ng5 Nf8
14. f6 Bxf6
15. Rxf6 Nf5
16. Rxf5 exf5
17. gxf5 exd4
18. fxg6 Nxg6
19. Qh5 Re7
20. Bxd4 Qe8
21. Rf1 Ne5
22. Bxh7+ Kg7
23. Rf7+ Rxf7
24. Qg6+ Kf8
25. Qg8+ Ke7
26. Nd5+ Kd8
27. Nxf7+ Nxf7
28. Bf6+ Kd7
29. Bf5+
ionadowman
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wote's posting ... ... is more relevant than it might look, reminding me as it does of my own practice in OTB play, namely 1.c4.
If my opponent was happy with the KID, so was I, but after 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g7 3.d4 d5 we got into the Grunfeld. To avoid this, 3.e4 is quite playable: 3...Bg7 4.d4 d6 5.f4 into the 4-pawns attack (one of my favorites also).
So that is one way of ... erm ... "beating" the Grunfeld: play 1.c4 2.Nc3 3.e4 etc, steering, if possible, for a King's Indian Defence. At move 5 White has many choices more popular than the 4-Pawns...
The game quoted by wote is, by the way, a drastic example of what can befall Black if he plays too passively in the early stages.
sf115
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I am looking for a more solid reply. At the moment by reply to the KI (if I played 1.d4 usally) is the exchange variation (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 e5 6. dxe5 dxe5 7. QxQ perhaps in a differant move order)
ionadowman
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5.Nf3 ... Is still possible after 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.e4 Bg7 4.d4 d6 5.Nf3 transposing into normal KID lines. That's if you don't mind the KID, and don't mind other choices available to Black.
Not sure what you are asking in your last question, sf115.
Cheers,
Ion
sf115
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sorrey, I wasn't clear. I meant the line which goes 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3.
ionadowman
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The "Russian System" There's a whole complex associated with this line:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 (White could also play this at move 4 instead).
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It seems that Black can play the defensive 5...f3 (to which White invariably responds 6.cxd5), or 5...dxc4 6.Qxc4
But there seems to be a fair bit of theory involved with this, which I would prefer to leave to someone who knows something about it! Broadly speaking, however, White establishes a broad centre of pawns at d4 and e4, with the Q at c4 inhibiting Black's usual ...c5 break. Against this, Black obtains a lead in development and active pieces that can give White's Q a hard time.
This one you might need to consult an opening manual.
;-)
ionadowman
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Oops... 5...c6, not 5...f3
The material I have available considers only 5...dxc4 and 5...c6 at this point, regarding the latter as rather inferior.
Following this the game can take many courses, far too much for any kind of comprehensive treatment in this forum. You really need now to find a book or something on it.
However, we could maybe submit a game or two to illustrate the resources available to both sides, which can be a bit of a help.