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bunta 20 ( +1 | -1 )
Castling Why does black usually castle after white castles, well ive seen it in many games at all levels, any reason why black does it the same move that white does it?
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ionadowman 42 ( +1 | -1 )
Probably... ...because Black moves second, statistically it is more probable that Black will castle second as well. That the first move confers on White something of an initiative to begin with, may tend to tilt the likelihood even further towards White castling first. Much will depend on the opening, some leading to late castling by either side.
OK, I'm guessing!
:-)
Ion
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loreta 9 ( +1 | -1 )
:-) White makes the first move - so he can be developped more quickly and cast first! :-)
rallyvincent 34 ( +1 | -1 )
Maybe It depends on the opening, too. Black often has to defend vs. the threats that white poses; that can delay castling of black. And in the open games, white is ready to castle very soon ( after 1.e4, 2.Nf3, 3.Bc4/b5), whilst black with 2.Nc6 develops on the Queen side first. And there are the gambits white can play for a faster development...
ganstaman 84 ( +1 | -1 )
I think we are somewhat missing the question. It's not "why does black castle after white?" but instead, why do we see "X. O-O O-O, that is, white castles and then black castles right away?" I think it is related to the answers given so far. White attacks and stuff and black is thwarting every thrust. Then white goes defensive for a moment and castles. Black is now thinking, "whew, I survived the first wave, he's slowed down, let me now castle as well."

Or by castling, white suggests to black that castling is a fine move, and black takes the hint, not knowing what else to do.

Or, related to my first paragraph, black wants to castle at some point. He usually has threats to deal with until white castles. Ok, so that was the point of my first paragraph, only I think I phrased it more nicely here.
ccmcacollister 53 ( +1 | -1 )
Hmmm, I just came up with 4 pages... of notebook on this ... Maybe it can be edited down a little bit?!~ }8-)
Well I shall try that and return in a day or two :)
And ask anyone to use the Endangered King hotline until then, if there is a Castling Emergency ...
A brief synopsis:
1) What they said; WT moves first !
2) Life ain't fair, and especially to the Black Chess pieces !
3) Many sundry strategic reasons, of which the 4 pages are made ... about either player deciding to rush or delay the maneuver, but especially BL since he does not get a 'free inaccuracy' in the sharpest openings.
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}8-D

ccmcacollister 619 ( +1 | -1 )
Ah! Some posts showed up ... even as I typed. ganstaman That is a large point I wanted to bring up too. That once WT castles it may tell Black:
a)WT Rooks may centralize now behind his center pawns, being connected and able, and "I do not want to be in the Center facing that cannon barrage, being a King or NOT !"
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b)Also General Principle: We are told not to make our Central Pawn break until after Castling our King to safety (hopefully){In actuallity, a sharp & daring playing may often get away with making the break earlier than that ... if he is prepared to Castle on the very next move if need be. Or "In the Nick of Time", according to his accurate analysis. Knowing When you can play the Exceptions is a step toward mastery of the game. After first knowing the Usual concepts, inside and out.}
So, that being the case; WT having Castled tell BL that Break may be coming! And so Now would be a Great time to see his own King safe; and be able to engage in his own Center play of response to WT's or now having Rooks connected & mobile now too, he can be thinking of his own pawn break there. Or proceed to build-up in preparation for making his own pawn strike there, and/or releasing the tension of it at the best time... best assured by being ready ASAP.
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3) It is also said Not to Pin Knights on Opponent's Bishop-3 Squares before he has Castled, to be the most effective; & it is even more effective then, if his Castle is to the side where such pin is then made. And yet moreso if BL still has a Rook behind that Rook Pawn of that side, or that Rook is free to move about there with choices such as Rook 1-2-3 etc for doubling up, or Rook to the Bishop-1 or Knight-1 Squares if better, or Rook to Bishop-2-or-3 in the manner of a Rook Lift to bring it to bear upon the opp's King position from in-front of your own pawns. To have his Rook in such mobile position, BL King would be Castled to the opposite wing, or still in the center.
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4). As touchd on, the Question of Where WT has Castled. Then BL can castle to the opposite wing for freedom to throw pawns with abandon at the enemy King as
both probably will do, with opposite wing attacks & pawn rollers aor line openings there. Or BL could try to minimize chances of such by castling upon the same wing as WT. Also ...
5) Perhaps BL wanted to delay Castling until after WT because their exists a line(s) for traing down to an ending, where now he may do so and just leave his King in the center where usually best for an ending. Conversely, maybe it was WT that had a liquidating chance to play, and BL did not want to allow WT that same King in the center for such ending. Now seeing WT avoided it and Castled, BL is free to as well without putting himself at disadvantage in K-placement had that ending come about.
{Note that many of these choices about castling may apply to either player. But most often it IS BL who stands to lose the most if he errs in such a decision since he seeks equalization from the start. But a WT error may just serve to permit BL to be equal, rather than lose a game, except in the sharpest lines of play. BL just may lose if he commits an mistake of the same degree, often times. Or must then defend for many moves rather than be Equal. Seldom great fun.}
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6) There are many opening positions where WT may have an attack that has become so renowned that it can nearly be played automatically without really engaging his brain. There are also many where WT can choose to play in any field
rightly; Q-sid K-side, aor Center (in totality or by open file). For EG's of the latter
some Tarrasch French lines, or ...b6 Nimzo-Indians, or most of all the Samisch Var.
against the King's Indian.
Of the Former, examples: lines of the Yugoslav Attack in Dragon Sicilian, or Najdorf
Sicilians. Especially in the Najdorf, BL may delay Castling to keep WT guessing and ultimately even remain in the center so that his Rh1 can remain for K-side defense.
AND BL may even go with o-o-o then! And play in the center himself such as for a
...d5 push. Or Kb8 & still play the c-file but now his King will not get hit with a pawn roller unless WT wants to open up his King position at the same time. If he tries it he must be able to twart a center strike, control the center adequately & have a space advantage on the Q-side so that his pieces can manuever better there than BL's and be able to cluster around his own monarch as needed, in place of the missing pikemen, who have gone to march.
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So in such cases as the Former, it may suit BL to delay strategically for choices re
position. Or also, as in the Dragon; besides creating doubt it can also serve to change the nature of WT's attack enough to put him into his own thought resource
s & out of Automatic-Memory mode. Even tho in this particular case, WT can still jump right to K-side attack, it can require a better understanding such as cases in
which he must trade his Bh6, but perhaps BL played Kf8 to recapture Kxg7 while leaving his Rh8.And to know when WT must forgoe h-file efforts & switch to f-pawn
shoving, or playing the e-file aor d-file. Etc.
Similarly in the case of multi-field positions like a Samisch for WT. BL may profit from WT's uncertainly about BL's intent for King position, which can lead to playing less commitally vs BL.
And there are a number of French Defense position for EG where WL may be best off letting his Rooks stay home with one for defense and other on the offensive side
. And in some of those lines where WT can only get one half-open center file, or if it can be kept no more than semi-open, or quite closed, and it falls to the Bishop or Knight files for WT to try opening, then the BL King can well be most at home upon Kd8 or Kd7. But BL would have to wait and see to know. So this another idea why BL can be the last to Castle, and be the better off FOR IT.
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That is all for now, as I find it is time to march forth myself and rescue my fair maiden, who may or may not be a distressed damsel ... being on the job at the moment. So one is as likely as the other, these days and so I go. Fair ye well defenders of the faith or bad positions, and Crusaders in search of the elusive Wholey-Point.
}8-)
wschmidt 7 ( +1 | -1 )
Craig, I think you have entirely too much time on your hands. ;-) ws
mattdw 7 ( +1 | -1 )
Thanks for that craig, a lot of thoughts worth taking note of!
coyotefan 6 ( +1 | -1 )
I tried 1.e4 0-0 But those mean chess Gods said it was illegal :)
softpawn 85 ( +1 | -1 )
Which side Even though in most cases white castles first (statistically), black does have the luxury of seeing which side white has chosen to castle. From this stand point black can make a tactical decision on which side to castle based on the status of the game and of course the side white has castled. Naturally both sides should castle as soon as possible (as a beginners rule anyway) however black may not want to "jump the gun" so in many cases black waits for white to commit first and then makes their decision. This is just my impression anyway. I may be right off track but from time to time when playing as black and being in position to castle either side I try to wait untill white has committed first so I can plan my attack.
apastpawn 22 ( +1 | -1 )
I believe the definative answer is: because he can!